Rekindling the Intellectual, Spiritual, Creative legacy of Christians in Culture

TKM canadaDescription: Host Bill Hogg & panelists Dr. Allyson Jule author and Co-Director of gender Studies Institute at Trinity Western University; culture watcher, movie critic and Charlton Heston fan boy Peter Chattaway ; award-winning screenwriter Kevin Miller who has appeared as Lex Luthor on Smallville engage in a lively exchange about the New Atheism as espoused by its acerbic proponents Dawkins ,Hitchens and Maher.

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  1. hey Constantine

    I am not quite sure what to make of your lengthy comment as a whole or your itchy inability to sit still.

    I thought I would pick up on one issue; Bonhoeffer as humanist. I think it is untenable to assert in a tidy reductionism that Bonhoeffer can be labeled a humanist. The one who wrote the Cost of Discipleship and who in Christology affirmed ” Christ as the Center of human existence” really has to be understood as a devoted Christ follower or a Christocentric humanist but not merely “Humanist.”

  2. Constantine,

    I have a hard time understanding where you derive the idea that a person cannot partially know him or herself.

    If you cannot partially know yourself (or go halfway, as you put it), you are dealing in absolutes.

    If you deal in abslutes, you can only know 100% of yourself or 0% of yourself.

    If you claim that we cannot know 100%, we default to knowing nothing of ourselves.

    Clearly, this is not the case. We all know something of ourselves.

    Moreover, I cannot understand how knowing yourself on a deep and profound level would negate our need for God. God calls us to develop a meaningful, true, and complete understanding of ourselves because we are made in His image with a specific purpose. Self discover can and does bring us closer to God. This is an incremental, sometimes faltering, and imperfect process; however, I believe God allows us to understand a certain fullness of ourselves at particular phases in life.

    That’s my two cents…

    I would, however, completely disagree with your assertion that God is arbitrary. God is not arbitrary. You claim that having complete self knowledge puts one on par with God. You also claim that being on par with God means you know the exact right action to perform in every situation (and would actually follow through and do so). You therefore infer that God knows the exact right thing to do in every situation and actually does so; thus, logic dictates that God cannot be arbitrary.

    Characterizing God as arbitrary is both flippant and unwise. It would suggest that we – in our limited human understanding of history (as it has unfolded, continues to unfold now, and will come to fruition in the future) – can claim to know more about God’s ways and purposes that God does. That is a truly arrogant idea; arrogance is, as you reminded us, not a Christian value.

    Who are we to question God’s actions? God is the only constant between yesterday, today, and eternity; He’s the beginning and end of all things. His understanding of all things is infinitely greater than ours. To even compare God’s actions to ours is like comparing a 3-dimensional object to something drawn on a 2-dimensional plane; it would be a horrific simplification of something far greater, far too vast to be represented in fullness on a sheet of paper.

    You accuse others of elevating humanity to God’s level. I would say you run the risk of simplifying God to a comfortable parallel with humanity.

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